of the united states and the governor running for president is doing. that's what debates are all about. the one minute, two minutes, 30 seconds. this was a real engagement and i loved that. and the second thing going back to the fact finder how difficult this is, the other positive for me was for both camps, this is a clear philosophical race. clear philosophical difference about the role of government. the last 20 minutes was wonderfully instructive, i think, for 11th grade civic courses around the country. one, the president has one view. governor romney has another view. the people who are going to decide, it's a clash. and these philosophical differences is what makes up an election. >> first of all, i agree i like the format. it was just a little awkward that's not what was planned ahead of time. >> it was. and they literally missed the segment. >> missed segments and then there is interrupting and then -- so i think if you plan that out, i agree. there were longer answers. >> yes. >> i think if anything, this was the most boring presidential debate of my lifetime, and that should be a goo